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Then I bought a book about psychic vampirism, learned about energy work and psionics and continued on from there
6:18 AM
That was..ten years ago now
6:18 AM
hahah
6:18 AM
The Chaote's Principle is that "belief is power" and that is that - it, like psionics, operates on power of the will
6:19 AM
Ritualism works on power of the will too, i suppose.
6:19 AM
You just have to go around the bend to shoot your energy laser at a mirror to reflect it at a egregore that then amplifies your intent (if it thinks it's a good idea probably) and then your whole idea might work if you wore the robes correctly and drew the circle 100% accurately to the 700 year old manuscript
Psionics doesn't necessarily operate on the bases of will. It is a big part of it, but the core beliefs consist of a lot more.
1:30 PM
Rituals aren't that hard to get into unless you are using the most complex first (which the easy ones that work are kinda hard to find). Nor do they operate under the principle of will.
@Albino Elephant The way I see it "will" pretty much covers any intentional action, be it physical or otherwise. Semantics are uninteresting to me, whether things work and if you can divine why is what matters to me
Not always, most of our people (I think) take tulpamancy as a strictly psychological process. When people engage in the more spiritual aspects I usually find that they have previous interest/practice in metaphysics.
6:29 PM
Oh, speaking of which, I do wonder if anyone here is practiced in "astral projection" and I'd like to ask a little bit about the process by which this is done. In particular, I'm looking for those in the practice who engage in consciously allowing the body to enter sleep paralysis and "emerge" from it.
Astral projection is actually one of the things I'm currently trying to work towards
6:51 PM
Alna's already able to dreamwalk and with some work I might be able to get her to visit other people's mindscapes or dreams, but I'd like to be able to learn such abilities myself as well(edited)
Due to the history of natural lucid dreaming my mind has, when we read of the process of consciously falling asleep (feeling the paralysis and emerging the mind's body from its connection to the real body) it ended up happening naturally. I do not will it to happen, nor do I find it fun for the most part.
I do not consider it all too metaphysical, but when I am moving around in my room and my body is laying prone, I do not judge those who find it mystical.
Breaking the flow of the dream unfortunately tends to ruin whatever ending it was going for, which is a shame because my dreams are a source of entertainment for me
In general, there is a subconscious process of constantly questioning the worst case scenario in every situation, and this always ends up corruptng every dream by manifesting the worst possibility at all points.
If you want, I think there's a guide on astral projection in the sense of emerging from your paralyzed body into some simulacrum of your surroundings. I don't personally assign metaphysical properties to this, but it is sworn upon by those who practice it I think.
There are signs to expect and barriers to pass. The brain is not built to do this naturally until one has perfect ability to pass two really unsettling obstacles
Compartmentalization is possible. My host's original setup had a "body" separate from the "mind" and he frequently left the body to its devices if he was in a spot he didn't want to be in
7:15 PM
It isn't dangerous, except the risk of the deviation between the "mental" personality's learned reaction and the "body" personality's learned reaction to certain input
I've also been told that it's possible to establish an entity as a mouthpiece for your subconscious, which was also part of the goal that I would have had in mind, had I known what I was doing
Oh, that is far from my knowledge. In my understanding, all manifestations of agency or thought regardless of who "owns" the thought or if it is from nobody is all a direct result of the subconscious allowing certain things to "float" to the conscious mind
Or, who claim to have it done. I don't believe it's a thing special to tulpamancy, as I think hosts do find subconscious menifestations all their own, although this is probably different for people who think the subconscious can be identified consciously rather than being hidden by definition.
I do not think one can gain knowledge of the subconscious directly and that the practice of trying to understand what happens there is about indirect observation. If a host is capable of fairly honest introspection, they shouldn't need a mouthpiece to manifest the subconscious as they could be seeing it on their own, but I can see the use in a separate identity related to this so it isn't subject to the troublesome identity biases
She's demonstrated the ability to cast on her own, mostly in the form of barriers, although I suspect she also might be responsible for some very abnormal incidents in games I was playing before I figured out all the shenanigans she started pulling once I realized I had a live-in companion
More often than not, I believe tulpas manifest subconscious desires. Although I do not believe in metaphysics for the most part, it is not surprising at all to see a tulpa capable of the same sort of metaphysical practice that their host engages in, since the effect probably is intrinsically entwined with the subconscious and a starting tulpa is flexible and responsive to pressure from the subconscious in my understanding.
Sure, this is where I would mention that this sensation and effect is heavily intertwined with things like suggestion and subconscious manifestations of belief. A literal psychological entity would carry with it a greater expectation of control in these areas, and due to the sort of flexibility of such a personality as well as the inherent link between tulpamancy and autosuggestion (or self hypnosis) I would expect this sort of thing.
7:27 PM
It is kind of like when I pilot the body I express a much greater pain tolerance and have a lot of other sensory and perceptive differences
However sometimes my host struggles to dissociate strictly enough to escape some internal pains. When I am in control, I can manifest behavior that completely ignores the pain and doesn't give in to the instinctive flinching it should cause.
7:30 PM
Verifiable sources? Yes, I think I understand what you mean. Although, I am starting to question if body-integration is actually one necessity of mental health or a detriment to it.
Well, the body-integration is actually a separate issue
7:30 PM
That's a fundamentals problem, not a progression plan
7:32 PM
I have a very specific rule for myself, which is that I will progress my "sorcery" along a path that uses power from myself and only myself because I don't want to deal with external entities
7:32 PM
That kind of technique is reserved for last resorts
I don't know if it's a problem or not to be honest. For a short time, my host felt that body integration was a necessity, and that short time was very painful as a result.(edited)
If I have spells that depend on the presence of another being, there's both a problem with the character of that being and the requirement of its presence for the techniques to work
I see how you feel though. I am more of the religious sort so the extent of my metaphysical practice is communication and requests to a hypothetical omnipotent being
If I were to engage in some sort of sorcery I would be very careful not to ask favors from nondescript spiritual entities as is warned in my religion
7:36 PM
But of course I do not find it a realistic practice as I have seen very little evidence of the practice in any sense beyond the power that autosuggestion provides.
